there is this pool of obama 2008 voters disappointed with obama but not ready to hand the treens romney yet. if they start to think he cares about them from a performance like that and if he can match that with behavior over the next 30 days, that's a combination they think gets him to the white house. gwen: are they sitting in dark rooms this weekend crunching those numbers and trying to figure out what to do? >> i think from the moment that debate ended, particularly on the president's side, they're trying to figure out what we do next. we'll have the vice presidential debates next week, which will be interesting. does paul ryan defend his plan or says no, governor romney is the nominee, not me. that debate will be very interesting. gwen: we'll be watching all of it. thank you, everyone. the conversation can continue online on our "washington week" webcast extra at pbs.org/"washington week." keep up with daily developments, including next week's coverage of the vice president presidential debate. we'll see you all right here next week on "washington week." good night. >> funding for "